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  1. John the Wanderer
    John the Wanderer at |

    That’s a great example. I can see why United would add the stop. It can be scary reading headlines about Caracas. So it seems like this was a good idea. I wonder what they say on the flight when they make this stop?

  2. Leith
    Leith at |

    How does the extra crew get to AUA though?

    I would expect symmetric operations there, so unless they have deadheading crew on another flight into AUA I don’t see how this helps?

  3. Alan Dickey
    Alan Dickey at |

    Wow

  4. Ross Gale
    Ross Gale at |

    Are they augmenting now? It seems like they are blocking an F seat. I can’t imagine it’s more effective to have a tech stop and another crew than to have 1 extra pilot…and no extra overnight hotels, DH flights, etc.

    1. Seth Miller
      Seth Miller at |

      It flies with a 752 and augmented crew now. My assumption is they need the 752 for more lucrative routes and this is the best way to keep the service operating while not leaving a crew on the ground in Caracas.

    2. Ross Gale
      Ross Gale at |

      Yeah I also noticed the F load for that flight is excruciatingly low on a few dates I picked within this week.

      Can they not augment using standard recliners under the union contract? I know the Micronesia operation has a pilot rest area in first class but I’m not sure the seat differs.

    3. Seth Miller
      Seth Miller at |

      They would need the Micronesia recliners to make it work. That’s an FAA/FAR117 thing, not a union thing AFAIK. And I cannot imagine the FAA issuing a waiver on FAR117 for this like it did for the Island Hopper.

      ETA: And there’s no way retrofitting one plane to keep on the mainland to serve that route makes sense.

    4. Ross Gale
      Ross Gale at |

      Agreed.

  5. Gene
    Gene at |

    I believe the pre-merger UAL IAD-ACC-LOS service was partially due to security concerns for crews laying over in LOS. The flight operated as a 5-day trip, with IAD-ACC arriving day 2, the same crew operating a turn ACC-LOS-ACC day 3, and returning ACC-IAD on day 4 arriving day 5.

    UA later flew IAH-LOS with a layover in LOS but as I’m sure you know, crews very rarely left the layover hotel (Sheraton, I believe) and it was thus home to some of the most notorious ‘crew parties’ since the Pan Am days!

  6. Ryan Sandlin
    Ryan Sandlin at |

    They did this back in 2009 or 2010 as well.

  7. Matt
    Matt at |

    Lufthansa used to do this on its flights to Sana’a for a while

  8. JOhn
    JOhn at |

    If crew safety is such an issue, why even bother flying to the destination. I get that an overnight is more risky than a quick turn, but shit doesn’t only happen at night.

    How many US/European carriers still fly to CCS (especially given how tough it is to repatriate $$$)?

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  10. DRG
    DRG at |

    I’ve heard of this happening quite a few times over the past decade during incidents in Middle East and Africa for a variety of security/health/conflict reasons.

  11. Voyager9270
    Voyager9270 at |

    I recall during one the Intifadas that British Airways (I believe, could have the airline wrong) added a technical stop at LCA for crew layover purposes on its flights from LHR-TLV.

    1. Andrew
      Andrew at |

      Yes, BA did use LCA and ATH at one point on LHR-TLV so they weren’t leaving crew or aircraft on the ground in Israel. As soon as things were better politically those crew stops were removed.

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