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  1. TxAg
    TxAg at |

    The Gulf lobby is far stronger than the US3 lobby, even in Europe. The GCC countries, specially UAE and Qatar, are pretty much invested in every important aspect of the Western life from media outlets (like Fox News, WSJ, Washington Post, Sky News, Aljazeera, CNN Arabic, etc) to real estate (Chrysler building, Harrod stores, etc.), airlines, tech, sports, and more. The GCC approach to the Western world has pretty much been: if you can’t fight their capitalism then join it. So far it’s been paying handsomely for both sides, especially during 2008 crisis when the massive reserves of the GCC countries translated to huge investments/favors that helped otherwise bankrupt businesses and prevented even more job losses. Though the US3 are putting an interesting fight, I think they’re bound to lose and they will soon have to learn to live with it instead of instigating it further.

  2. eds183
    eds183 at |

    Of course nobody wants to talk about the elephant in the room. That the government owners of the ME3 are authoritarian oligarchies whose elite have a horrible tendency to support and fund a bunch of people who want to do harm to the citizens of the United States.

    1. TxAg
      TxAg at |

      Business is business. There are definitely a lot of unethical and immoral businesses in every sector in the US but that doesnt mean we should label every American business as such. The US foreign policy in the ME hasnt always been a peaceful one either yet you still see people in ME drinking coke and eating dominos. The only countries in the world that prevent American businesses from operating on their land are: Cuba, North America, and Iraq (before 2003). Would you like to join these countries in mixing politics and business?

      1. eds183
        eds183 at |

        I can assure you that it is much easier for ME and Asian companies to do business in the US than it is for a US multi-national to do business there. I worked for a fortune 5 company that had a sizable footprint in China, and I can assure you we were not allowed to do business there unless we had a Chinese “partner”, (Otherwise known as a state run company that the local party officials were using to get amass wealth)

        No business is not business. It is all political.

    2. Gwayrav
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      ‘Cause the government of the US3 has had the biggest “hands off” policy in the world, huh? And in fact, it has backed and supported many of those authoritarian oligarchies to its own benefit and to the detriment of the people there…

      1. eds183
        eds183 at |

        Red Herring. The question is – should the government of the United States favor these companies who are effectively arms of their respective governments over US companies. Especially when these governments rulers have been implicated in supporting some pretty awful people who seem to want to do the US harm.

  3. Golfingboy
    Golfingboy at |

    I don’t know but could the very fleixble joint ventures and anti-trust immunities that the US/Asian/EU governing bodies gave to many legacy carriers be viewed as a form of collusion (albeit legal), which gives the airlines the ability to compete collectively as one entity (I.E. AA/IB/BA/FY in the TATL/Middle East market), which the ME airlines do not have and have to compete against the combined behemoths on their own?

    If they want to argue capacity dumping – wouldn’t AA/BA’s massive JFK-LHR operation take the cake? Or having 4X daily LAX-LHR frequencies vs only 2 DXB flights for EK and 1 for the other ME carriers.

    To be honest, I am having a hard time wrapping my head around the capacity dumping argument being made by the US3, Air Canada, and some EU carriers, when they have significantly more capacity between markets through their partners under the joint ventures and ATI waivers.

    Now for subsidies – that is a hard one to argue when both sides enjoy them in many different forms (direct funding, tax breaks, subsidized services – BA’s BWI-LHR and EAS markets come to mind, etc.) how do you determine where is the line?

  4. Oliver2002
    Oliver2002 at |

    IAG withdrew from the AEA because QR (who owns 10% of IAG) made a valid point 😉

    That said the AEA representing the EU3 was taking the approach of throttling the existing bilateral. The US3 don’t have that tool in their toolkit 🙂