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  1. Russ Golyak
    Russ Golyak at |

    Ouch

  2. Oliver Trojak
    Oliver Trojak at |

    So what this means is an airline is planning to stop operations and appears to developed a plan to make sure that passengers who have already started travel are delivered to their final destinations? Does this imply at some point soon they will also void existing ticketed reservations to prevent passengers from beginning their travel? What are previous examples of this type of end of operations?

    1. Seth Miller
      Seth Miller at |

      Monarch doesn’t necessarily arrange the recovery flights. They are run by the ATOL insurance scheme in the UK. It is very different in the UK versus in the US.

    2. Oliver Trojak
      Oliver Trojak at |

      In the US is it just SOL?

    3. Seth Miller
      Seth Miller at |

      In the US you depend on the credit card companies to refund your money. But that doesn’t get you home.

    4. Matt Benson
      Matt Benson at |

      ATOL only covers package holidays. It doesnt cover tickets bought directly with scheduled airlines

    5. Seth Miller
      Seth Miller at |

      https://twitter.com/Monarch/status/780164715792044033

      “All our flights originating in the UK are ATOL or PayPal protected.” I suppose it could be something else, too.

      It is also being suggested to me that Monarch would pull its ATOL bond and pay for the recovery with that money as it shuts down.

    6. Julie Morris
      Julie Morris at |

      Matt Benson All flights from the UK are ATOL protected, regardless of whether they are packaged or not. They are sold under ATOL as flight only.

  3. Kyle Moore
    Kyle Moore at |

    Uniteds press team confirmed their aircraft are chartered for millops and not for Monarch

    1. Everton Morris
      Everton Morris at |

      Exactly what United’s team should be saying at the moment. 😉

    2. Seth Miller
      Seth Miller at |

      Where/when/to whom? My initial inclination was that these were military charters but the mounting evidence suggests otherwise. https://twitter.com/WandrMe/status/779741288782528512

    3. Seth Miller
      Seth Miller at |

      Were I United, Everton, I’d stick with the “we do not comment on our customers’ needs or operations.” But I also would certainly not announce another carrier going under before they do so themselves.

    4. Patrick Le Quere
      Patrick Le Quere at |

      Assuming the UA aircraft are indeed being chartered for the recovery operation, the economics are fascinating. Is there such a shortage of B747s in Europe that they’d have to be dead-headed from the US? And does UA have so many spares? (Besides the one permanent charter config)

    5. Seth Miller
      Seth Miller at |

      Yes, UA has the spares. It is drawing down the fleet with ~5 set to go by EoY and we’ve finished the busy summer season. Given that they’d just be spares on the ground in the US it makes sense for UA to get some cash operating them, low-bidding the contract for a week or two.

      HiFly is the other big “hot” lease operator with 4x A330s and 4x A340s but it has a lot of planes allocated right now, including to El Al and others IIRC.

    6. Charles Kennedy
      Charles Kennedy at |

      UAL would be shot for treason if they used milops as a cover for Monarch; if they said these planes are fulfilling military charters then that’s probably exactly what they’re doing

    7. Seth Miller
      Seth Miller at |

      More reliable sources than a random comment on my FB page suggest UA is declining to name the customer for the charters. And the plane in PMI is set to move to LPA tonight, though unclear if that will happen or not.

    8. jack
      jack at |

      The CAA has hired these aircraft as a safety measure if and only if Monarch goes pop.
      Friday is ‘D’ day for Monarch.

  4. Andreas Mowinckel
    Andreas Mowinckel at |

    I’ve never seen this being done before, but kudos to the brits if this really is real. Two Monarech planes in the air now – one inbound to UK and one outbound to LPA. A Miami Air aircraft is ready to operate the return, according to the airport website ….

    11:05 BSK7983 LONDRES /GATWICK (LGW) MIAMI AIR INT. –
    11:05 MON7983 LONDRES /GATWICK (LGW) MONARCH AIRLINES

  5. ChristopherAlexander
    ChristopherAlexander at |

    these other airlines aren’t doing this for free so why don’t Monarch use their own planes?

  6. Joshua Sauberman
    Joshua Sauberman at |

    I was very close to booking a Monarch flight for my trip next month. Glad to have dodged the bullet.

    1. Seth Miller
      Seth Miller at |

      The company may yet survive, but it still is unlikely to me. Latest official statement is that everything is fine, but also that the company still expects a significant cash infusion from its investors to keep it that way. Unofficially the story is that the carrier and the UK CAA were in talks well into the night and it is not out of the woods on this yet.

    2. Joshua Sauberman
      Joshua Sauberman at |

      Well, I’m sure most flyers wouldn’t want to roll the dice.

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  8. Seth Miller
    Seth Miller at |

    Flights are still operating after meetings with the CAA ran late into the evening. The “shadow” fleet remains in position as Monarch works to shore up its books by the end of the week/month when its license is due for renewal. Still plenty of time for things to go very well or terribly badly.

    http://blog.wandr.me/2016/09/monarch-airlines-monty-python-performance/?utm_source=FB&utm_medium=WA-FB&utm_campaign=19410

  9. Aviationtrev
    Aviationtrev at |

    What a load of BS this is. You do know that UA operate Military Charters and Cruise charters. More importantly the CAA is a government organisation that can not waste money on a “shadow fleet” just in case?