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  1. Dave Op
    Dave Op at |

    I wonder why AA is adding Airbus planes, when Boeing would seem to make more since, as they are exclusively a Boeing shop. Maintenance, pilot training, etc would have been easier.

  2. Kerwin
    Kerwin at |

    Its about time they got it together.
    And what happens when they merge with someone?

  3. Anonymous
    Anonymous at |

    AA and UA will be competing head to head with the same seats in C and AVOD throughout, as well as both offering extra legroom. DL and VX will be behind up front, but in the back it will all be even. B6 will be interesting to watch, because they have more legroom in the back but inferior IFE. And VX is dumping F?

  4. Oliver2002
    Oliver2002 at |

    Thats the recaro bl3250 with ife in coach. Ie the LH NEK seat. Ouch for a transcon.

  5. Lack
    Lack at |

    Looks pretty solid. Having the only first class service on the market might actually make a business case for itself.

    I’m a bit surprised about the IFE options, thought they might go with the weight savings model + streaming.

    As for the seats – the IFE might make them a bit to thick for the short haul LH model, so I’d hope they offer a bit more padding and comfort.

  6. Mike
    Mike at |

    My presumption is that AA has corporate contracts that necessitate an F cabin on the routes, otherwise it would be pulled. It will be interesting to see DL and VXs response; considering the substational ammount of premium seats on UA and AA compared to them. I am also curious to see how all the carriers compete with soft products.

  7. downhillcrasher
    downhillcrasher at |

    I love it! It is exactly what UA should have done with p.s.!

    Also, with only 102 seats, boarding should be a breeze.

    1. Seth
      Seth at |

      I know that many people think that UA should’ve put in a fancy F product but I just don’t see the market for it. Ditto for operating the plane with only 102 seats. That’s a density which – even with the more fuel efficient brand new planes – just doesn’t seem sufficient to serve the market.

      We’ll see how well it works soon enough, I suppose.

  8. RakSiam
    RakSiam at |

    only 102 seats? that can’t possibly last, can it?

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  10. Rayme
    Rayme at |

    downhillcrasher. You are absolutely right. American has hit a homerun with their new config while United strikes out. When I fly International First Class to Asia/Australia from New York on United I would like to be in First all the way. Maybe I can fly American to LA/SF.

    1. Seth
      Seth at |

      Sure, you can fly AA to LA or SF. And then what? Onward to Oz means flying on QF metal. So unless you’re paying for the F outright that’s not going to work out so well. And if you are then why wouldn’t you fly QF the whole way?

      To Asia the only real option on AA is NRT. And if you’re doing that in paid F from NYC why not just take JAL’s non-stop?

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  12. Rayme
    Rayme at |

    I’m being facetious. Since I have endured so many miles with UA I will continue to fly them but it is just too bad that they are ruining the PS service. They should have done what AA is doing. Oh well. This reminds me of when AA put in those tilt-flat seats in business class while UA went with a lie-flat seat only the roles are reversed in this case with AA calling the right shots.
    All the best.

    1. Seth
      Seth at |

      I guess I just don’t understand why it is so wrong to operate a very good 2-cabin product when that’s what people are actually paying for. I’d love 3-cabin service, too, but I’m not going to be paying for it. Neither is nearly anyone else. SO when it comes to a decision on whether to fly around a bunch of empty (or Op-Up’d) seats just to have “prestige” versus flying a fleet where passengers are actually buying the seats I’ll say that the latter is the smart play.

      Yes, AA’s product looks swankier. But if no one is buying it they’re just accelerating the demise, not building up value.

  13. Rayme
    Rayme at |


    No problem with a very good 2-cabin service but is United really doing this? The economy cabin which used to be all economy plus is being downgraded by making this a mix of economy plus and regular economy. What was nice about PS was it was different than the typical domestic in all the cabins. Also, there are some fools who do pay for first and some fools who pay for business and upgrade to first. The businessfirst is going to be better than the old cabin, it’s just too bad that the other cabins are going to suffer. I used to make an effort to always fly PS when traveling transcontinental even though JFK is not all that convenient but who knows now. Oh well.

  14. Seth
    Seth at |

    I do think that UA is really doing it. The new C is going to be a better seat and better IFE than the C or F on the old configs. If someone really is mad that they cannot pay extra for the worse F product then they deserve the idiocy they draw upon themselves. That’s not to say the AA F won’t be a better seat – it will – and AA might pick up the folks who used to fly UA but only want F. More power to them. I’m willing to bet that the revenue they produce doesn’t make up for the amount of space those seats consume relative to the C option.

    As for the economy section, the ps E+ was pretty much the worst on the fleet, tied with the 747. The new E+ will have AVOD at every seat and equal, if not better, pitch for roughly the same number of seats. There will be some extra E- seats, too, but even those will have AVOD and power.

    No, it isn’t a spacious 3-cabin configuration on a widebody, but the new ps config is pretty darn competitive for most customers compared to what the rest of the competition is flying.

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