17 Responses

  1. Sean Mendis
    Sean Mendis at |

    It may be the first SCHEDULED flight from Saudi to Israel, but I know for a fact that at least one other aircraft has diverted to Tel Aviv with mechanical issues after departure from Jeddah en route to Europe.

    1. Seth Miller
      Seth Miller at |

      Which, of course, makes sense. Diversions to avoid even greater problems are accommodated. Were they not that would be all sorts of troublesome.

    2. Sean Mendis
      Sean Mendis at |

      The Saudis will not accommodate an aircraft originating in Israel even for a diversion. I know one aircraft which was denied by both Jeddah and Port Sudan and had to go to Asmara.

    3. Seth Miller
      Seth Miller at |

      Well, that’s top-notch asshattery. 🙁

    4. Sean Mendis
      Sean Mendis at |

      Well it’s complex. Aircraft departing Israel and heading through the Red Sea corridor have to fly the FIR boundary between Sudan and Saudi after leaving Egyptian airspace. If they enter Eritrean airspace they cannot then transition to Ethiopian airspace, so they have to continue from Eritrea to Djibouti and then either fly through Ethiopia or continue along the Somalia/Yemen FIR boundary if heading East. Since the aircraft are not ‘officially’ there (and are ignored by ATC even though they are broadcasting on the same channels) acknowledging them even in an emergency is politically fraught.

    5. Idir Aitsahalia
      Idir Aitsahalia at |

      So screwed-up. What’s wrong with the human race…

  2. Matt Lindenberg
    Matt Lindenberg at |

    I wouldn’t call it “just because you can doesn’t mean you should,” nor was it flaunting. Feelings about this administration not withstanding, I think it’s a good example on two fronts: first, what SHOULD BE between nations in the region, and second, the importance of free travel during the diplomacy process.

    1. Seth Miller
      Seth Miller at |

      Pretty sure I’d feel the same way about such a trip with any administration.

      Of course I think free travel is a good idea. I push pretty hard on that front. But I think there is also a smarter approach to diplomacy that doesn’t necessarily have to be quite so blunt. Pick a third country to visit along the way, perhaps, building diplomacy rather than trying to bring it about with a 2×4. Especially for a guy with roughly zero experience in such matters.

    2. Matt Lindenberg
      Matt Lindenberg at |

      Shuttle diplomacy has proven pretty effective at times in the past… and the point is that diplomats shouldn’t be restrained by local political obstacles on the ground, we should collectively free them of those restraints.

    3. Seth Miller
      Seth Miller at |

      Yeah, but this is not shuttle diplomacy. Far from it.

    4. Matt Lindenberg
      Matt Lindenberg at |

      No, it’s not. I’m just talking more about the direct travel being a facilitator of that.

  3. Alan Robbins
    Alan Robbins at |

    Gee Seth,
    I think your statement
    ” I cannot help but wonder if this is one of those “just because you can doesn’t mean you should” situations. Is it wise, fresh off a $100bn+ arms deal, to flaunt the rules and disrespect the host nations?”

    Is much ado about nothing.

  4. CD Lazear
    CD Lazear at |

    Also note that the DL press charter flight didn’t fly over the Sinai peninsula, precaution taken by most non ME airlines.

  5. markus klar
    markus klar at |

    Fuel stop in Hahn or sleep over

    and why hahn and not Ramstein oder other one

  6. Mike Denoff
    Mike Denoff at |

    MSNBC reported this morning that Bush II flew from Saudi Arabia to Israel; Trump Administration got that wrong too

  7. Dave
    Dave at |

    Seth per the DL FLIFO screen shot, they left 1 hr 2 min earlier than scheduled out of RUH and the stop in LCA was only 40 minutes. (Re: your comment about stop in LCA / late out of RUH)