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  1. Glen Towler (@NZAircraftFan)
    Glen Towler (@NZAircraftFan) at |

    So you don’t think Boeing will appeal ?

    1. Arcanum
      Arcanum at |

      The higher this goes up the appeal chain, the more anti-Trump and pro-trade the tribunals become. If Boeing can’t get a panel of US trade commissioners to support it, good luck convincing a mixed panel of Americans and Canadians at NAFTA or random nationalities at the WTO.

      Boeing should have bought the CSeries program for pennies on the dollar back when they had the chance.

  2. Joe C
    Joe C at |

    Maybe now it’s time for Boeing to resurrect the 717 to compete.

    1. Glen Towler
      Glen Towler at |

      That will never happen the C series now has the market to it self pretty much unless the Airlines start buying Superjet and the MRJ is so far away from being ready. Also it only seats 88 pax

  3. Brian
    Brian at |

    Boeing hubris pushed the program to Airbus. Now to see what Airbus turns the CS program into. They have shown success in running geographically disparate production with political aspects in a way that Boeing has not.

  4. DavidB
    DavidB at |

    To think Boeing never got government assistance…during WW2 the government built its B29 plant. After the war the DOD paid for all the development work on the future jetliners through the B47 and B52 programs, and rationalized the cost of the 707 program buying transport and refueling versions. The company played Washington and South Carolina states against one another for massive tax abatements, as it did with Illinois moving its HQ from Seattle to Chicago.

    This process cost Boeing dearly as you note in lost sales of both the DL order for larger single aisle jets and the F18 order from Canada. And it injected new life into Airbus…a second production line for the CS series will make it more attractive by giving airlines earlier delivery positions.

    It will be interesting to read the decision.

  5. Cool Breeze
    Cool Breeze at |

    Delta was supposedly offered the C-Series for $19.5 million USD a pop. Compare that price to any other jet Bombardier offers and it’s apparent that they’d have to receive substantial subsidies to stay in business selling at that price. (Even medium size biz jets cost twice that) .Boeing wasn’t “harmed” in that they didn’t have a competing plane, but the bad will generated was substantial. So, Canada bought some used FA-18s from Australia. Where will Australia buy replacements? Where does Canada’s security come from in large part? Yeah, it’s the U. S. tax payer funding our substantial military. How many military aircraft do they design, manufacture and deploy anyway? Ummm….not so many. So, let John do it, in this case John being the U.S.

    As for the comments regarding military aircraft, what country has a private aircraft manufacturer that sells to the government at break even or a loss? Do you think we would have won WWII or remained a super power while waiting for the government to debate for months or years over the prices and merits of combat aircraft? One example that was a lousy compromise was the FB-111, an overpriced, limited capability plane that Robert McNamara insisted on. It was to be used by both the air force and navy. It never made it to the navy and had marginal success with the air force. A friend and neighbor, a Lockheed Martin manager, said that the delays and cost increases to the much ballyhooed F-35 are due in large part to changes to the thee variants demanded by the powers at the Pentagon who changed the requirements time and again after the original specs were agreed upon. So, who pays? The tax payer-just like the Canadians will for a commercial aircraft with no military variants.

    1. Glen
      Glen at |

      Saab and Euro fighter build some great fighter jets so maybe Canada will buy those aircraft. I don’t think Canada will forget this in a hurry. Also Delta won’t be buying Boeing in a hurry either. This has harmed Boeing for many years to come and I am sure other airlines will now buy C series because there is nothing else in it’s class. Boeing stopped building 717s and didn’t think anyone wanted 100 seaters a bit short sighted. But then Boeing seem to be all about short term gain. Just look at the 757 replacement market which Boeing has nothing to replace the 757. Until the 797 comes along which will be years away.