42 Responses

  1. Karen Johnson
    Karen Johnson at |

    I don’t know Casey Cagle, but I think it’s offensive for a lawmaker to demand a discount from a private business for any particular organization. Reebok used to give discounts to AARP members, but has discontinued doing so. I’m not seeing Mr. Cagle threatening Reebok.

    1. James
      James at |

      I find it more offensive that 40 millions dollars of tax payer money is given to a private for profit corporation.

  2. Adam Liss
    Adam Liss at |

    Sounds an awful lot like the Lt. Governor is picking winners and losers with state monies.

  3. Haung Yu
    Haung Yu at |

    Hmmm. Let’s compare the economic impact of Delta to Georgia’s economy vs NRA’s impact!

  4. Sheri Bjornson
    Sheri Bjornson at |

    The First Amendment prevents the government from punishing private entities based on their political views. This unlawful threat could cost Casey Cagle more.

  5. Denise
    Denise at |

    Cagle is runnng for Governor again this year. Otherwise he probably would have cared less. Unfortunately GA has very strong gun lobby.

  6. Bob Dorado
    Bob Dorado at |

    Let’s see his campaign contributions.

  7. Danielle J. DeCerbo
    Danielle J. DeCerbo at |

    The long form statement from DL was a whole new level of “many sides” gutless.

    1. Seth Miller
      Seth Miller at |

      Agreed. Pretty pathetic, really.

    2. Nick Boylan
      Nick Boylan at |

      Yet it is being proved why they had to try and come up with a gutless response, since the Lt. Governor (Who is actively running for the top office), is actively looking to screw Delta over this.

    3. Seth Miller
      Seth Miller at |

      I dunno. Making this into a campaign issue may help him or hurt him. But turning it into an even more political issue had virtually no upside potential to Delta. It wasn’t going to bring back any of the theoretical customers lost and it certainly isn’t going to please anyone who wanted the removal of the discount to be an active statement. In many ways it was the least good choice possible.

      It was a political decision. Trying to make it appear apolitical is a losing battle.

      Or maybe it was a mastermind plan to get the guy to do something stupid and find himself in legal trouble. But that seems very, very unlikely.

    4. Nick Boylan
      Nick Boylan at |

      Having grown up in Georgia, this spat helps him. He’s fighting against corporate liberal secularists and standing up for “Conservative Christian” values

    5. Seth Miller
      Seth Miller at |

      In that context, Nick, sure. But there is a high probability this action is illegal. Hard to say with certainty that’s a smart campaign move.

    6. Nick Boylan
      Nick Boylan at |

      Unless they lock him in jail, it will help. Anything less and he gets to say that the activist judges are trying to push liberal secular values and oppose their “Christian” way of life.

  8. Sean Roebuck
    Sean Roebuck at |

    Hello DL this is how would you like to move ?

    1. Seth Miller
      Seth Miller at |

      Delta is never moving it’s main hub from Atlanta. With or without the $40mm tax break. Just not happening.

      That said, the NY LtGov basically already did that on Twitter. https://twitter.com/ltgovhochulny/status/968220657380134913

    2. Sean Roebuck
      Sean Roebuck at |

      Crap does this mean I have to keep working for the government since I wasn’t the only one that had that thought?

    3. Michael J. Graven
      Michael J. Graven at |

      Eagan would take em back…

    4. Joel Anderson
      Joel Anderson at |

      It would cost them significantly more in taxes than $40 million if they were Minnesota based, again.

  9. Hetal Bhatt
    Hetal Bhatt at |
  10. Shane Martin
    Shane Martin at |

    Bet most the the discounts come back once fhe fervor blows over

    1. Seth Miller
      Seth Miller at |

      I dunno. Does it deliver any financial value to the company? Putting aside this tax issue I’d bet the answer is no.

    2. Shane Martin
      Shane Martin at |

      Guess that depends on how many nra members use the discount. I’d venture a guess the amount of people willing to send revenue DLs way over this will be smaller than the blowback from members boycotting or willing to use the discount

    3. Seth Miller
      Seth Miller at |

      Shane: I have no doubt that DL knows exactly what the revenue directly tied to the discount was. And extrapolating that to other trips by those same customers or their families is pretty easy.

      Sure, some are saying they will boycott based on this. But I’ve seen scores of similar calls to boycott airlines in the past. None really amounted to anything. Just look at UA and the Dr. Dao incident. All that outrage and no one really changed booking habits. The fact that no other airline offers anything better also doesn’t hurt Delta’s position.

  11. Golfingboy
    Golfingboy at |

    This PR statement by DL is awful on so many levels.

    They should have had issued a simple and sweet statement stating they support the 2nd amendment and citizens’ rights to bear arms but do not support certain extreme stances of the NRA. Simple and concise. If they are too worried about how this would be reacted then issue nothing at all.

    Companies need to stand for what they believe in and stick with it.

    1. Golfingboy
      Golfingboy at |

      Casey Cagle’s illegal conduct in this situation may have ramifications in the Amazon 2.0 selection process costing the state of Georgia’s prospect of landing this opportunity.

  12. Donald Osborne
    Donald Osborne at |

    Two can play at that game. Delta can certainly begin moving their hub to other airports. That would hurt Georgia a whole heck of a lot more than Delta.

  13. Henry Harteveldt
    Henry Harteveldt at |

    I wonder how many GA-based DL employees who support the Lt. Governor’s campaign will continue to do so.

  14. David
    David at |

    how do you define “lose out” when it’s something they don’t need and aren’t entitled to in the first place?

  15. Tim Murphy
    Tim Murphy at |

    Didn’t DL (and others) complain that the ME3 were getting government funds? How is a tax break from the state any different?

    1. Oliver Trojak
      Oliver Trojak at |

      Not the Feds ????????

  16. Jeff
    Jeff at |

    This is not a political issue. It is not conservative nor liberal. We Americans have a major SOCIAL problem. If you think it is normal that all children, from little ones to HS and College, find it necessary to go thru “active shooter” training, or that we have turned our theater’s , country western music festivals, schools into shooting galleries, something is wrong with you…….I could care less what party you are from. I am retired law enforcement. I can tell you it is not a mental illness problem. Most other western nations have the same mental health rates we here in America have and yet they have pretty much non existent slaughter incidents like we do. What is the difference????? We have easy access to guns and high powered guns. That is not a political statement. Just fact. Delta needs to stand their ground. They should not be able to be threatened or bullied.

  17. Ted Shevlin
    Ted Shevlin at |

    Rather than punishing Delta through taxes, Lt. Governor Cagle should instead put up road cones and a traffic study over at ATL airport.

  18. Garrett Hartsuyker
    Garrett Hartsuyker at |

    Maybe MSP might be a good place for HQ…

    1. Stephan Mark Smith
      Stephan Mark Smith at |

      Or DTW being their second biggest hub

  19. LosAngeles
    LosAngeles at |

    $40 million dollars? That’s a tax break? Shoot, Marriott got $300 million alone for opening a single hotel in Colorado. This is disingenous lip service. If the Govenor is going to take this position, he needs to put his money where his mouth is and cause real financial pain for Delta.

    Hopefully Delta didn’t withdrawal NRA support on a whim. The company should be prepared to go to the end in support of its values, including relocating it’s largest hub and headquarters to a state whose leadership doesn’t support the NRA’s infanticidal agenda.

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  21. Irene Larter
    Irene Larter at |

    They will start moving flights and growing other hubs. Watch them. The meeting discounts are NOT huge-majority are issued by agencies-so think 2-5% and up to 12% before taxes on the fare. NRA gets bonuses the more members that buy tickets and the credits translate into elite status, free club memberships, upgrades and free tickets for NRA members-that’s why the NRA is pissed y’all. They couldn’t give two shits.

    It’s not about the discount it’s the perception. The Georgia government is doing this and attempting to hit DL in the wallet out of proportion to the actual loss the NRA discount is because they perceive it as an attack on their alleged values and beliefs.

    DL can easily down size ATL. They can gear up in DTW and MSP. And this tax break that Georgia wants to use as a hammer to get what they want for the NRA?
    That $ value they hit DL with with have the cut your nose off to spite your face effect. They lose the landing fees DL Pays, the revenue and maintenance they pay on ATL, the employer taxes, job loss of DL employees-transferring, as well as the job losses from other companies that depend on DL and DL level of traffic there.

    It’s poorly thought out-my father would say the person that thought it up wasn’t thinking with his brain but somewhere lower.

    DL can and will leave if it actually even feels the hit-but it’s not going to be a blip to them. Georgia-well it’s about votes and staying in power-really nothing else.

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