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  1. oliver2002
    oliver2002 6 March 2013 at 11:09 am |

    Boeing is scrambling for options that will avoid them having to pay significant penalties to the airlines concerned for grounding the fleet. I doubt the airlines will take the bait plus another emergency landing with smoking batteries is not in the interest of all concerned parties, as it would kill any remaining trust pax have in this type.

  2. News And Notes On Wednesday, March 7th | Pizza In Motion

    [...] that’s necessary for some routes, Wandering Aramean has gone through a whole ton of routes the 787 is scheduled to fly and found that ….  This type of data might not appeal to everyone, but I thought it was really interesting that [...]

  3. Noah Kimmel
    Noah Kimmel 6 March 2013 at 1:12 pm |

    Even the 60 would allow airlines with 767s or other aircraft to have more ASMs. May not be 787, but allows for aircraft subs on some of the routes without limiting capacity

  4. UAmetal
    UAmetal 6 March 2013 at 5:19 pm |

    Great. Now what’s the patch to stop the window from not entirely blocking out the heat of that unexpected factor, the Sun?

  5. thumbelina
    thumbelina 6 March 2013 at 9:18 pm |

    How about Norwegians OSL-NYC scheduled to start this spring/summer?

  6. Rohit Rao
    Rohit Rao 11 March 2013 at 4:01 pm |

    Air India’s DEL-MEL-SYD-DEL would be a no go though…

  7. The Essential Introduction to Using GCMap - Hack My Trip

    [...] One practical use of this feature involves the ETOPS rating, which allows a twin-engine aircraft to travel further from nearby airports that it might need to divert to if one of those engines failed en route. Normally this range is 60 minutes, and ETOPS allows a craft to fly between 90 and 180 minutes from the nearest alternative airport. The Wandering Aramean made good use of this tool to plot routes that the Boeing 787 could still fly without an ETOPS rating. [...]

  8. Andrew
    Andrew 17 March 2013 at 10:29 am |

    If there are 49 planes and they Fly ~18 hrs a day, they will be etops again in about a year

  9. jbcarioca
    jbcarioca 27 March 2013 at 1:40 pm |

    As I mentioned in a couple of places already without response, Seth has ignored both wind and ETOPS-required alternate airport availability.
    North Pacific routes have wind, as do all routes . The winter winds are often fierce. Without going to too much detail, winter routes typically fly Eastbound on a very southerly course to avoid severe headwinds. In addition ETOPS-required alternate airports are often not available due to poor weather, more so in the winter.

    Thus the minimum practical ETOPS for Pacific flying is 180 minutes with the seasonal 15% additional, or 207 minutes. Anything less will not work.

    Many existing aircraft flying Pacific routes must carry lower payload when flying in headwinds to allow increased fuel to be carried. Absent ability to fly more southerly the payload penalties will be even higher, thus impairing economics.

    All the furor about ETOPS is not to be convenient for airlines. It is an essential feature for viable B787 operations.

  10. Boeing 787 Dreamliner to Resume Service | All Travel Best

    […] be permitted to operate the same long-haul routes they were authorized for prior to the grounding; previous speculation suggested they might be restricted. The testing of the systems has been on-going since mid-March when the FAA approved the test plan […]

  11. FAA Approves 787 Dreamliner Battery Test | Best in Travel News

    […] be immediately cleared for service on the long-haul, overwater routes they are designed to fly or if there will be limits to the acceptable Dreamliner routes. The approval of the test plan is the first step in the Dreamliner’s return to flight. It […]

  12. Boeing 787 Dreamliner to Resume Service | Best in Travel News

    […] be permitted to operate the same long-haul routes they were authorized for prior to the grounding; previous speculation suggested they might be restricted. The testing of the systems has been on-going since mid-March when the FAA approved the test plan […]

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